Ep 39 The Holographic Being - Iman Kamel

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Luke 00:00:07  Welcome to another episode of the Impro Pod podcast. My guest today is Eamon Kimmel. So you are a filmmaker and artist and you have this connection to ancient Egypt. Tell us a bit about that.

Iman 00:00:20  I'm not only a filmmaker and an artist, I am also a cultural diplomat. I studied international affairs at the Fletcher School in the US. Then I practiced into homeopathy and then I became a natural path and hand on healer. A few years ago, I was in Egypt, in the Dandora temple. I had something that I call initiation outside of the temple. It was by the lake, an empty lake. You can imagine it like a conference. But Celestia also there was a conference with many of the pantheons. We call them the tarot, the ancient Egyptian archetypes that are very modern in our time. And they were talking about this pandemic and everything that will come in. And I had no idea. I didn't understand what they are going, but what I got about it is that I have a new operation and a new mission in this world.

Luke 00:01:31  I'm going to play you a piece of music, and it's completely improvised. I want you to tell me what it makes you think of. So that's anything that comes into your mind. Any kind of thoughts, ideas, emotions?

Iman 00:02:55  I was transported instantly to the waters and the dolphins was a lot of movement, diving in and out, and sometimes it was a little bit deeper and sometimes it was up on the surface again. They took me into a space that was underwater. It was a secret opening somewhere, like opening of the psyche. A dream and opportunity of a discovery. It's an inward movement and an outward movement. It's the same time.

Luke 00:03:35  So I'd like you to tell me a story of some kind. And then I'm going to improvise a soundtrack to the story. How about the methodical story about the girl in the desert?

Iman 00:03:47  RA is the sun god, and he was so furious because the people were absolutely respectful and not regarding any balance or order or any way of being together in a society.

Iman 00:04:01  And he was so helpless and he didn't know how to bring the people back to reason and to be aware of what they are doing. The idea was to bring Samad as a goddess down to the people, to bring some fear into this world. So Samad came and was able to have this very deep encounter with that child in the desert and tell her this story, that she actually went to ravage, like she was almost distracting the human being out of her rage and out of her ways. But then how she thought found a way to bring her back into a kind of a reason, and he advised to color the beer red so it feels and smells like blood. And they thrown gallons of beer around her, and she was lapping the beer. And then she went into sleep. And when she woke up, she has found or refound, I would say, her power of healing. And when the lioness was talking to this little Emma because this little email was almost lost in the desert. So the line is to little Emma as her cup the lionesses brought in her lioness mothering goddess hermit became one of the most eminent healers.

Iman 00:05:36  The little Emma was actually listening because she understood that these paradoxes are actually one. She's the destroyer and the healer. She is the passionate mother lioness, and she can tear you into parts. You can eat your life like it's all belong together. So this is actually her very first encounter with the holographic being.

Luke 00:06:00  I'm going to break it down into sections. So you've got this girl called Emma. She's in the desert and she's lost. And then she meets this lioness goddess.

Iman 00:06:11  That appears in her chariot. She's a prowess like she's a lot of power. Emma. Either she saw this as a mirage. She's also fearless as a five year old girl.

Luke 00:06:22  I'll start with the desert and go. And then this encounter with. Stick with the goddess and.

Iman 00:06:28  You can call it Call Her segment.

Luke 00:06:31  And then she tells her this story. And then there's something about becoming powerful. And then there's this idea of these paradoxical parts coming together.

Iman 00:06:42  It's a surprise for you.

Speaker 3 00:06:44  Surprise if you.

Iman 00:06:45  Call me out and say, okay, come on my podcast, you have to be prepared.

Iman 00:06:50  The disrupter, it's a rebel.

Luke 00:06:52  So I'm going to play some music now.

Iman 00:09:33  It's beautiful. Look. Thank you. It was a lot of, vastness in there. You could have gone more fierce into the fierce part because it is very fierce. Like maybe you can try that again.

Luke 00:09:47  Okay, let's try the part where Sekhmet arrives again.

Luke 00:09:52  Here we go.

Iman 00:10:32  A little bit better. You look when she gets fierce, then you can get this contrast between fierce and then the motherly. She's actually behaving to email like a cub.

Luke 00:10:43  So you felt that didn't quite come across the contrast between the fierceness and then the mother lioness.

Iman 00:10:50  Try something there.

Luke 00:10:52  Okay, so take three. Here we go.

Iman 00:11:51  Look, it's really interesting. Can you bring the sun in there? The desert and the vastness and the harshness of the sun would be also interesting. You have this blue sky and then this harsh desert. And the light is also very harsh.

Luke 00:12:07  I'm just gonna play the desert then, if that makes sense.

Luke 00:12:09  Play that atmosphere of incredibly sparse but mountainous and dry. Did that do anything for you?

Iman 00:13:07  It's lovely. Yeah, lovely.

Luke 00:13:12  Be quite good to take another one of these paradoxes that fit together. One that means something to you and experiment musically with that.

Iman 00:13:24  Are you hungry for more?

Speaker 3 00:13:25  Yeah. Okay.

Iman 00:13:29  You think that the cosmos and the universe and the multiverse is so far away when Carl Sagan will say, this little blue dot gives you that feeling of foreignness that alienation. But in some way, that space is so deep inside of you so you can venture out. Like me, I went to Madagascar, to Kazakhstan, to South Africa, to Japan, to California. Like I even had one day when I we started on Joshua Tree in the morning and it was absolutely hot, 40 degrees or whatever. And then we were traveling and then suddenly the mountains came and then the snow came. So these contrasts are also inside of you. So you travel outside and you travel inside. This is the most intriguing, actually aspect of my work.

Iman 00:14:24  The farther you venture out, the farthest you can go is actually inside of you, venturing deeper and deeper inside of your imagination, into your ancestry, your lifelines, your experiences, failures, all of your gifts and talents and powers and dreams. That's also the holographic being that you feel that you are encompassing the whole world, the whole multiverse, and it feels like you are very small. But you are so huge as a whole galaxy.

Luke 00:14:58  So I'm going to try and take this idea of this paradox of the more you travel outside. The more you travel inside in terms of understanding who you are as a person, as a being. I'm just going to take this idea and see what happens. What did you think of that?

Iman 00:17:27  Are you challenged by this?

Luke 00:17:30  Absolutely. Yeah.

Iman 00:17:31  So the holographic being is bringing all of these angles, these fractals, these aspects together into one piece of music, what you call disharmony. For example, when you bring it all together, you will be very surprised what the harmony is here, because it's like tuning forks.

Iman 00:17:49  They will harmonize together. The holographic being is bringing the so-called disparate aspects together into one harmonious river. This is how I see it, because everybody will see it differently. You can't intellectualize it because it's not an intellectual concept. It's a living being. I'm living it. I'm living being an artist, a medicine woman, a mentor. But I'm living also being a child because I'm very childlike. I'm living to be the entrepreneur and the CEO, but I'm the dreamer. And so all of these aspects, when they come together, they craft that holographic being.

Luke 00:18:36  What did you get out of being on this podcast?

Iman 00:18:38  I actually played today, but in some ways it was also very interesting for me to listen to you deeply listening. How are you moving inside of a challenge or an ignition or an inspiration? I have been moving with you inside of this as well. You work also a lot with coloring of the music. You're actually having a kinesthetic aspect as well in your music.

Luke 00:19:06  Thank you very much for being on the podcast.

Iman 00:19:08  You're welcome.

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